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Yes, Really [Nov. 24th, 2004|12:49 pm]
Tony Grist
One of the stimulating things about LJ is that you never know when the Messerschmidts are going to come diving at you out of the sun.

Mainly you're among friends, but it's a public arena and anything is possible.

I like it that it's public. Yeah, I do really.


[User Picture]From: butterscotch711
2004-11-24 02:54 pm (UTC)
I actually found what they were saying interesting - I'm a major fan of Buffy and Kill Bill, and a guy, and I have similar qualms.

It's a pity it was an attack and not a discussion.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2004-11-24 03:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's interesting. I dunno if you got as far as the interview with Christine Delphy, but the argument there is stimulating. Delphy says that the division between men and women is a matter of class and that if women were given equal pay for their work (including domestic work) the problems of sex/gender would all disappear.

As for Buffy and co- I've been wondering whether there's an equivalent high-profile kick-ass heroine created by a woman- and I can't think that there is.

Except that the character of the Bride is credited on screen as the creation of Q & U (I'm a credits reading nerd) so maybe Uma Thurman had a 50% input. It would be nice to think so.
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[User Picture]From: butterscotch711
2004-11-24 04:07 pm (UTC)
Thankyou for summing up the Delphy interview ... my French doesn't quite stretch that far. :)

According to the making-of's on my DVDs, The Bride was indeed a co-creation of Uma and Quentin. Unfortunately, the making-of's don't go into very much detail about it, except that it begin while they were filming 'Pulp Fiction'.

I have also read somewhere that Sigourney Weaver ended up having some authorship over Ripley in Alien3, although this must have been largely unofficial, and Alien: Resurrection is, of course, written by Joss Whedon.

I also cannot think of a Buffy equivalent created by a woman, but then maybe looking for an 'equivalent' isn't the right approach. There's certainly action/comic-book heroines created by women, but they tend not to rise to the popular-mythological heights of Xena or Buffy, for all the obvious reasons to do with the industry being patriarchal.

Some of the reading I did in an undergraduate gender studies film course was about the 'last girl' of slasher movies - the single (normally virginal) girl who makes it to the end. This category can be extended to heroines like Ripley, and perhaps even to Buffy and The Bride (who I would venture to call 'post-last girls'). Anyway, to be very simplistic, what some of this material was suggesting is that the 'last girl' is a kind of male protagonist in disguise (she is normally quite androgynous), and amongst other things the last girl allows the (assumed heterosexual, male) audience to experience masochism in ways other texts (which don't substitute/alter the male protagonist) don't allow.

I can see readings like that having something to say about Buffy and The Bride, but I think those two characters also have something a lot more to them and their position is more complex.

If Uma had 50% input into The Bride, she certainly deserves more credit. Buffy, too, while created by Joss, was at least partly authored by women. But hopefully characters like Bufffy will allow the industry to change, so that we don't have to say of the next Buffy "Well, she was *partly authored* by women".
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2004-11-24 04:26 pm (UTC)
My French was stretched....

That's fascinating about the "last girl".

I've never paid much attention to slasher movies. I watched Scream because it was supposed to be all intelligent and post-modern, but that's about it. The genre just doesn't attract me.

But Buffy, Xena and anything else with a female action hero is very much my thing. I identify with those gals where I don't identify with the poor kid being chased by the evil dude in the mask- no matter how androgynous she is.

But I also identify with the heroine's geeky sidekicks. If anything I'm more Gabrielle than Xena, more Willow than Buffy. So what's all that about?
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[User Picture]From: butterscotch711
2004-11-24 04:38 pm (UTC)
Maybe it's just that sidekicks are more accessible than superheroes. :)

I also tend to identify more with the sidekicks. But I do find Willow to be one of the most wholly-realized characters I've ever come across, and I think in some ways she had a way more interesting story arc than Buffy.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2004-11-24 04:54 pm (UTC)
I agree about Willow. That was a great story arc. And for a geek like me- much more at home with books and computers than martial arts- one I could readily identify with.

Also Allison Hannigan is just so unbelievably cute.
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