Those last two sentences are most appropriate in this case. Gene Roddenberry began doing TV westerns. His great innovation was translating his horse operas into space operas.
I have mixed feelings about James Tiberius Kirk. On the whole, I much prefer Picard, cold and bloodless as he was. Much more realistic portrayal of a ship's captain, I think.
I always preferred Spock, but Kirk was OK. I think Shatner deserves enormous credit for taking a run-of-the mill, two-fisted, all American hero and making him interesting.
Patrick Stewart is a great actor. It shows.
Shatner thinks he deserves enormous credit, and is more than willing to give it to himself. Ad nauseum.
I liked Scott Bakula on Enterprise, and I liked Patrick Stewart. And you're wrong, there was more than one 'continued next week' ep of Star Trek, TOS.
"For the Earth is a Hollow Place, and I have touched the sky."
I'd forgotten about the two-part episodes, but I think my point about long story arcs remains valid.
The world would be poorer without the unique phenomenon that is William Shatner. :)
Thanks for that: I thought I was the only one that liked Bakula.
my mom liked him too. That was a good show, and if the networks hadn't moved it around so much perhaps it would still be running.
Agreed. I felt it had just got its legs under it when they pulled the plug.
I will credit Shatner, but grudgingly, and I still found his death scene satisfying.
Also, I think this graphic
sums up Kirk's character rather nicely, for good and ill.
I must admit i do prefer the Picard years to the Shatner version. Being a bit of a trekkie i also enjoyed the Benjamin years (DS9) and Captain Janeway. I was less sure about the Enterpise franchise.It did not feel quite the same.
I very much enjoyed Enterprise, and had it been allowed to continue, was settling down into something pretty cool. I liked Captain Janeway, but that series never quite knew what to do with Chacotay. And of course, after awhile it became all about Seven of Nine. I found the characters on DS9 interesting, especially Doctor Basheer (but then, I am female and he is gorgeous...) I can't imagine that Gene Roddenberry had any idea he was founding a dynasty with TOS.
DS9 is under-rated. It had some lovely characters. Voyager I liked less and Enterprise not at all.
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I actually think DS9 was the best of the franchise. It was so character based.
I loved Quark and Odo and Major Kira. These were people you came to care about.
Really? I like Enterprise and never could get into Voyager.
I found Enterprise dreary. Voyager had a lot of characters who were dull (Ensign Kim) and one that was toe-curlingly annoying (Neelix)
I'm an odd one. I rather liked the dreariness. It seemed more realistic than the flying office building that was ST:TNG.
We are re-watching TOS, so this is timely!
What strikes me most is that Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley were much better actors than I remember them being. Shatner in particular; we mock his mannerisms, but he was charming, in-character and threw himself into the role. He really is Kirk.
I am reminded of a friend in acting school who had an assignment to record some people's voices and then learn to mimic them, and then give a monologue to the class in that voice. She asked to do my voice, and told me later that afterwards no one in class--professor included--believed that anyone could talk that way. So she played them the tape and they said, "Wow, you were spot-on. How weird."
Some people really... DO! Talk... that way! And Kirk is completely believable to me. :)
Also, the chemistry between those three actors... picture-perfect.
It was a much underrated show, acting-wise.
Shatner had the toughest job on the show. Spock and McCoy are juicy character parts- a gift to any actor- but Kirk is just the hero and heroes are bland. There's nothing in the writing to distinguish Kirk from all the other the two-fisted TV hunks, but Shatner with his quirks and hamminess succeeded in making him not only interesting, but iconic.
I think the original Kirk was a womanizer because he was emotionally needy, always looking for a human being that could return the unconditional love he gave the Enterprise. The new one in the movie is just a player and is really too self-absorbed for a command.
Yes, that's right. Thanks to Shatner the original Kirk is a fully rounded character.
I would agrre here with the Shatner Years. I found McCoy, Scottie and Spock a wonderful springboard for Kirk.
Those actors sparked off one another. They were a great ensemble.