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The Mark Of Kane [Oct. 25th, 2004|09:56 am]
Tony Grist
Citizen Kane
Mahatma Kane Jeeves (a pseudonym of W.C. Fields)
Marshall Will Kane (The Gary Cooper character in High Noon)
The Caine Mutiny
Michael Caine (the screen name of the artist formerly known as Maurice Micklewhite)
Kwai-Chiang Cain (Keith Carradine's character in Kung Fu)

These are some instances. There are others.

Why does this name (in various spellings) keep cropping up in the popular culture of the mid-twentieth century?

When it occurs in "real life" Kane is usually an Americanization of "Cohen". But none of my Kanes appears to be Jewish.

My guess is that we're dealing with the romance of the Biblical Cain- the man branded and outcast by God. The name serves as a badge of mid-twentieth century alienation.

Any other suggestions?
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2004-10-25 10:20 am (UTC)
Of course, yes! I knew I'd left out some obvious ones.
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[User Picture]From: jackiejj
2004-10-25 11:41 am (UTC)
How about some good lyrics from Joan Baez from "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"? (Popped right into my head):

Virgil Caine is my name and I drove on the Danville train
'til so much cavalry came and tore up the tracks again
In the winter of '65, we were hungry, just barely alive
I took the train to Richmond that fell
It was a time I remember, oh, so well

The night they drove old Dixie down
And all the bells were ringin'
The night they drove old Dixie down
And all the people were singin'
They went, "Na, na, na, na, na, na, .... "
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2004-10-25 12:32 pm (UTC)
Yes, yes, yes!

And if I remember rightly that song was originally written for a film.

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[User Picture]From: jackiejj
2004-10-25 12:54 pm (UTC)
I didn't know the song was written for a movie.

Here are the original lyrics, written by J. Robbie Robertson

Virgil Caine is the name and I served on the Danville train
'Til Stoneman's cavalry came and tore up the tracks again
In the winter of '65, we were hungry, just barely alive
By May the tenth, Richmond had fell, it's a time I remember oh so well

The night they drove Old Dixie down and the bells were ringing
The night they drove Old Dixie down and the people were singin', they went
La-la-la la-la-la, la-la-la la-la-la, la-la-la-la

Back with my wife in Tennessee, when one day she called to me
"Virgil, quick, come see, there goes Robert E. Lee!"
Now I don't mind choppin' wood, and I don't care if the money's no good
Ya take what ya need and ya leave the rest
But they should never have taken the very best

The night they drove old Dixie down and the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down and all the people were singin', they went
Na-na-na na-na-na, na-na-na na-na-na, na-na-na-na

Like my father before me, I will work the land
And like my brother before me, who took a rebel stand
He was just eighteen, proud and brave
But a Yankee laid him in his grave
I swear by the mud below my feet
You can't raise a Caine back up when he's in defeat....
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2004-10-25 01:24 pm (UTC)
Turns out I'm wrong.

I went and Googled it- and I find the song has nothing to do with any film. I wonder how I came by that piece of misinformation?
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[User Picture]From: karenkay
2004-10-25 01:20 pm (UTC)
Kwai-Chiang Cain (Keith Carradine's character in Kung Fu)

David Carradine.

I did not know Michael Caine's birth name before. How could anyone say it without laughing?!
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2004-10-25 01:29 pm (UTC)
Sorry- I always get them Carradine brothers mixed up. Keith is the one who plays Wild Bill Hickok in Deadwood, right?

Micklewhite says he picked his new name off a poster for the Caine Mutiny.

Those were the days when you couldn't make it in the movies unless you had a glam name... and then along came Meryl Streep.
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[User Picture]From: karenkay
2004-10-25 04:19 pm (UTC)
Sorry- I always get them Carradine brothers mixed up. Keith is the one who plays Wild Bill Hickok in Deadwood, right?

I skimmed Keith Carradine's filmography on IMDB and didn't see it, so I dunno.

And even though we are all picking your nits, I think, at least in the case of Kung Fu, that the reference to the Biblical Cain is spot on.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2004-10-25 04:39 pm (UTC)
My friend Judy suggests that the hard "k" sound denotes heroism . And she directs me to Star Trek:

Kirk
Spock
Picard
Ryker

She adds that Hollywood takes this sort of thing very seriously.

She may have a point.

I guess this makes you doubly heroic!



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[User Picture]From: karenkay
2004-10-25 08:51 pm (UTC)
I guess this makes you doubly heroic!

Probably too heroic for a woman in Hollywood--note the popularity of Susan Sarandon (is that spelled right) who has all those soft sibilants and nasals. There is an American sitcom actress with my name, but she was pretty bad. (Ohmigod! There was a UK sitcom with my name!!!! Cool!)

When I first learned about vanity surfing, I discovered a British stripper-turned-online-pornstar and a romance writer who have my name. Now there are a lot more--a poet, a designer, a radio host, a stand-up comic. I don't even show up till page 5, and then only once.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2004-10-25 10:21 pm (UTC)
Hmm. I don't share my name with anyone terribly interesting. Just the odd company director.

Oh, and the man who runs the Debbie Harry archive in Shoreham-by-Sea.
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[User Picture]From: karenkay
2004-10-26 03:30 am (UTC)
Well, the company director mixup is interesting. But the Debbie Harry *archive*? That's vaguely creepy.
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[User Picture]From: zephyrcrow
2004-10-25 11:11 pm (UTC)
I have a baby name book which suggests that a good way to make your baby sound heroic or forceful is to give it a name with lots of hard sounds. Therefore I will name my firstborn Fisticuffs Cain Davis!

I added you to my friends list. My name was Poliphilo but I changed it because if there were two of us it might irrevocably damage the space-time continuum.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2004-10-26 08:38 am (UTC)
Are you my evil twin or am I yours?

Polia is mine. Mine, you hear!

Ha ha ha- he he he.

I have befriended you back.

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