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Fandom [Aug. 4th, 2007|12:12 pm]
Tony Grist
Fandom- I don't get it.

Why would you want to mess with someone else's characters when you can create your own?

Does J.K. Rowling take pleasure in badly written stories about her characters having sex?  I doubt it.  Why- If you admire and enjoy her work - would you want to disrespect her so? 

Isn't "fan" a bit of a misnomer?

But lets move from the general to the specific. An artist just got banned by LJ because of an image she posted of Harry and Snape.

Only the banning seems ineffective because she's bounced back and the image is viewable. (I'm not giving links. I don't want to give her any more publicity than she's getting already).

I clicked. I was expecting an image of them kissing. Boy, was I in for a surprise.

The characters were clearly modelled on Daniel Radcliffe and Alan Rickman. Isn't this defamation of character or libel of something?

Even more to the point:  British comedian Chris Langham is about to go to prison for downloading images which (I assume ) are comparable to this. 

So- forget morality- LJ needs to guard itself against prosecution.

But I don't want to forget morality. You take characters from a beloved children's book and you produce an image of them that any paedophile would be proud to own (you can quibble over whether Harry looks underage or not if you want to be legalistic and miss the point) and  I can't think of any grounds on which I'd be prepared  to defend you.

A lot of fans are up in arms and banging on about censorship.  I just watched a video of a girl give a little self-righteous speech then attempt to burn her LJ shirt with a blow torch .  Fine. Off you trot to some less scrupulous site and good luck to you!  As it happens, I'm perfectly happy to see you go.

[User Picture]From: happydog
2007-08-05 05:51 pm (UTC)

Re: SAY SO. Tell us this is not a fandom-friendly site, and we'll migrate.

The bottom line is: just because you like something, DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU OWN IT. The characters belong to Rowling, not you. Fandom shows its contempt for Rowling every time they do slash fiction, putting things in Rowling's universe that she never intended or thought of.

It shows profound contempt for art, profound contempt for artists and their creation, and a profound sense of entitlement. Bad enough that artists of all kinds, including writers, never get paid and most of them spend their lives toiling in semi-obscurity.

How would you feel if you wrote a book, it became a best seller, and then a bunch of creepy folks began writing long stories using your characters, turning them into rapists and mass murderers, and posting it all over the internet? What would you do? Would you blithely say "Oh, it's OK, must be better than what I wrote anyway," or would you react to protect your art that you worked hard to create?

It's contemptuous of the artist and it's crass. An artist does not create to suit YOUR needs or your kink. If you want to read gay erotica, be honest about it and read gay erotica. If you want to write it, write it. But don't vampire off someone else's hard work and twist their characters into what you want them to be when they're not. They don't belong to you. You have no say in their actions. You are not entitled. You are not an artist, and you are not a writer, and you are NOT ENTITLED TO STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S ART AND TWIST IT.
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[User Picture]From: pantherrrrea
2007-08-05 06:45 pm (UTC)

Re: SAY SO. Tell us this is not a fandom-friendly site, and we'll migrate.

The bottom line is: just because you like something, DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU OWN IT. The characters belong to Rowling, not you...NOT ENTITLED TO STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S ART AND TWIST IT.
Do I earn money with fanfiction or these pics?? No. Nor do I say that the characters are mine. Do I tell people that they shouldn't buy her books? No. No if somebody asks me who is my fav author I'll tell Rowling and tell them to buy her book.

How would you feel if you wrote a book... How would I feel? If the story is fantastic I'd be pleased that my work has inspired it, if terrible I'd be grossed out, but I wouldn't do anything, because you know what? Lets look at it from the view of money: Ok my book is best seller, but if it isn't a part of a series like HP, said book will be very soon forgotten. But say there is person A that has written a fanfic of said book and person B who has read it and loved it and maybe, there is this big maybe that person B will go buy said book.
Yes there would be like maybe 80% terrible ff's and there would be things that would squick me, but as I said I wouldn't do anything. If somebody tried to sell a fanfic biased on said book that would be something different, but I cannot tell people to stop writing just because I think their view is wrong and I've never intended it like that.

I read originals, I love them, when they are well written, and the same goes for ff. Plus I enjoy fanfiction because it lets me see a beloved world from other site. I don't read story because it's slash, het or gen, I read it when it's well written so I can enjoy it.

Plus I'll give you this to think: http://poliphilo.livejournal.com/423223.html?thread=5157175#t5157175

You are entitled to your view as I'm to mine and you may think you're right, but then again there are literally hundreds of people thinking the same ~ that they are right. It doesn't matter to me, right, wrong if it doesn't hurt people, if it doesn't kill, rape or abuse them then it doesn't really matter. At least to me. And the thing is that the truth is really, really subjective>>> now the truth is this, yesterday was it this and tomorrow it could be something completely different.
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