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Futile [Dec. 13th, 2006|01:49 pm]
Tony Grist
I've been on a message board where Darwinists and Creationists were slugging it out. Ouch, ouch, ouch!

Such dogmatism- on both sides.  But, as one of the posters pointed out, Darwinism is a scientific theory and Intelligent Design is a philosophical theory. They belong in different disciplines. 

It's as if one team turned up for the match in football strip and the other team in cricket whites.

[User Picture]From: qatsi
2006-12-13 01:48 pm (UTC)
I like the concept, but I'm not sure how well it works. A theory (of any sort) is something that might be wrong, surely?
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2006-12-13 03:29 pm (UTC)
Oh yes.

Any theory could be wrong.

Actually, I'm not sure we have anything but theories, do we? Some of our theories fit the evidence better than others, but is there anything we think we know of which we can be absolutely sure?
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[User Picture]From: qatsi
2006-12-13 05:18 pm (UTC)
I'm absolutely sure that any theory could be wrong :)

Euclid had his axioms - things which were self-evidently true, but even they started to be picked away by geometers(geometricians?) in the nineteenth century. Rationally, I think we can only place limits on certainty (a theory that is observed to be substantially correct can probably only be wrong in a certain limited way).
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From: frsimon
2006-12-13 08:22 pm (UTC)
Where do you place say, '2+2=4', in relation to your claim that we don't have anything but theories?
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2006-12-14 03:00 am (UTC)
I have always had a blind spot where maths is concerned, but- yes- you're right, I suppose 2+2=4 is going to be true in any conceivable universe.
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[User Picture]From: red_girl_42
2006-12-13 06:08 pm (UTC)
A theory (of any sort) is something that might be wrong, surely?

Sure, it could be. But scientifically, to achieve the status of "theory," an idea has to have huge amounts of evidence supporting it. You don't just get to be a theory because someone had a hunch.

Sure, evolution is "just" a theory. So is gravity.

Intelligent Design, however, has not achieved the level of theory yet, scientifically speaking.
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