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Hardham: After The Fall [Aug. 9th, 2018|04:56 pm]
Tony Grist
Adam and Eve get busy inventing agriculture. They don't look happy about it. Adam wrangles some unruly vines while Eve milks a cow.

A cow? Really? All the commentators say that's what it is, but I think it's a deer. The painter surely knew what a cow looked like- and that's never a cow. Consider the delicate skull and those elegant hind legs.

Either way, the image of Eve milking a whateveritis may well be unique in European art. I can't think of another example.

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[User Picture]From: puddleshark
2018-08-10 06:48 am (UTC)
That is wonderful! I've never come across anything like it.

I'm guessing medieval cows probably were quite dainty - the beefy animals we have now are the product of three centuries of intensive breeding.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-08-10 07:28 am (UTC)
Ailz agrees with you about the cow. I'm still unconvinced.
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[User Picture]From: pondhopper
2018-08-10 08:41 am (UTC)

Even the stance is deer-like. However I suppose we can't really compare our modern bovines to ones from the dawn of humanity biblically speaking.

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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-08-10 09:25 am (UTC)
I believe modern cattle are descended from the extinct aurochs which was a massive beast- and nothing like the gracile animal in the painting. Modern cattle may be fatter and bigger than medieval cattle but I don't think medieval cattle were dainty.
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[User Picture]From: heleninwales
2018-08-10 04:22 pm (UTC)
No, dairy cows were never dainty. The Welsh White cattle apparently date back at least 4,000 years and they are small but sturdy beasts.

The beast in the painting definitely looks like a deer, more specifically a hind.

Edited at 2018-08-10 04:23 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-08-10 04:40 pm (UTC)
Yes, there's really no resemblance between the Welsh Whites and the animal in the picture.


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[User Picture]From: heleninwales
2018-08-11 07:34 am (UTC)
I wonder if there's some biblical verse that's been interpreted/misinterpreted as implying that, as there were no cattle, Eve must have milked deer?

Also, we only think of milk from cows, but goats ewes and reindeer are also milked.

Whatever the reason, the picture is intriguing.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-08-11 07:53 am (UTC)
I don't believe there's anything in the Bible about Eve milking anything. We're just told they had to start working for their living. I guess this reflects a distant memory of how humankind moved from being hunter-gatherers to agriculturalists.
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[User Picture]From: lblanchard
2018-08-10 05:17 pm (UTC)
I've been enjoying this tour of the church murals. I'm curious about the church, though: with this marvelous set of murals, is it just sitting in a field, open for anyone to enter at any time?

(That was one of the things that surprised me about our visit to England -- how many little churches and chapels were open to the casual visitor. There were some in the little villages near Bosworth that were accessible via friendly neighbors who held the keys, and others that were just....open....like Lead Chapel near Towton. The redundant churches of York, on the other hand, were locked up very securely -- a wise precaution, I think, as some of them were in rather dubious neighborhoods.)
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-08-10 06:03 pm (UTC)
It's just off a side road with houses nearby. There was a placard outside advertising the murals and a note on the door saying the church was open. I imagine local people keep an eye on the comings and goings.

Rural churches are frequently left open during the day- which I reckon is how it should be. Urban churches- unless they're famous town centre ones- are often locked. But there's no rule. Every community makes its own arrangements.
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