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Not To Worry After All [Apr. 22nd, 2018|11:33 am]
Tony Grist
 The Internet is a place people go to let their hair down.

And among the things they do when letting their hair down is say mean things about politicians and the actions politicians would rather keep secret.

So when a politician-  Jeremy Hunt for instance- talks about regulating the Internet in the interests of morality and keeping children safe and their parents free from worry- I suspect him of ulterior motives.

But I comfort myself with the thought that politicians- Jeremy Hunt for instance- are old and slow and the upcoming generations so very much smarter.

[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2018-04-22 01:08 pm (UTC)
Problem to be seen about old geezers like this is when they manage to get legally-binding regulations written into law, by which, when you happen to be seen acting against these, are going to be punished for practically nothing.
The probability may be very small, due to the internet being a very, very large network where it's hard to trace down one single person exactly and hard to spot the one person which does something that law doesn't like - but, when they do, you're screwed. By the laws that old geezers like this get nested down into the law books.
And this is why one shouldn't just take that so easy...
Saying, everyone can become the convict.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-04-22 04:06 pm (UTC)
The Internet is really beyond the power of national politicians to control. Even so attacks on any freedom should be resisted.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2018-04-22 05:25 pm (UTC)
Hm... I have my stomach ache with this, when my experience about this is different...
Resisting I can do a lot, it won't help me in the end, if they got me by the balls and some court renders a legally binding verdict.
Either a huge payment for some alleged copyright infringement that economically ruins me or when some people draw the conclusion from some internet writings (!) that I better should be locked away from the world 'cause they expect me to do something very harmful against other people.
Can resist against that for long, still the state will come and get from me what the verdict says... And try to sue the state over some wrong verdict, I think you can guess what happens. Even unlawful actions become lawful when a state wants it to be so. Once they've rendered a verdict in such a department, they can't be forced to turn around anymore, not even by lawyers.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-04-22 06:24 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry. My answer was rather glib. Obviously states can do the things you say. Even so, I think the Internet is ultimately beyond the control of all but the most totalitarian regime. People in China- for instance- seem to find ways round the censorship. And then there is the Darkweb- which I only know by reputation.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2018-04-22 08:49 pm (UTC)
Controlling it I think too it isn't possible - you already see that by the various examples, when a social network is supposed to delete content that various people report to them. They don't delete the stuff in 2 weeks, no matter how many people report it - so that tells a lot about that even a single social network can't control what its people upload and post in it.
You're always dependent on somebody who points you at something...
But, really bad it gets, when you're "blessed" with a nation of people who stare over the garden fence all day, get jealous over their neighbors' fortune and think of ways to legally destroy that fortune. Or who are so stupid to be already afraid of their own shadow, but act that out on their outside world.
AND when you got a legal system that even supports their games, as long as they take the indirect, the passive-aggressive way of taking their plans on.
You know, reporting all kinds of small violations of rules, when it can destroy their neighbors peace and make his prosperous garden bushes a little smaller...
Then the internet becomes no fun anymore and is more about hiding yourself in a certain corner, only so that you get left alone and not molested by such know-it-alls that want to present themselves as heroes.

Also, it becomes a pain for you if you can't talk to any social worker anymore about certain topics without them hitting the ceiling (from fear!) because all they can think about is needing to do their duties of reporting everything too dangerous, so they don't go to jail if it goes wrong.
And you received nothing in help and advise from them before...
But, oh yeah, "the system is supposed to help you". "All just want to help you."...
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