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Perish The Thought [Apr. 17th, 2018|11:23 am]
Tony Grist
 The readiness of journalists to accept the government line on things like the Skripal case and the alleged gas attack in Douma puzzles me. There's a strong smell of fish about both incidents- and locating the stinking cod's head would be the scoop of the century- but there are few signs that those whose job it is to dig are doing anything of the sort. Why? Do they fear for their jobs? Or their lives? Are they too deeply embedded in the establishment? Are they too trusting, too lazy, or just blithely incurious? Incurious journalists- now there's a thing.

We accept that foreign governments lie, we accept that the President of the United States lies all the time (the ex-director of the FBI says so), we even accept that past British governments have lied (notably over Iraq) but to suggest that the people who rule us today might tell the odd porky about matters of national and international importance- perish the thought.

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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2018-04-17 11:37 am (UTC)
Is what it reveals to me what it is about with the real intelligence about such processes with a lot of people, especially from the English-speaking countries (also including a good bunch too often which self-assert themselves to the "left" (what they think is "left") or to be "liberal").
Everyone talks these days how wrong from the beginning the Iraq mission was, but get started talking about Syria, or Russia in general too, you can listen to the same warmongering phrases like from conservative and right believers back then. All that comes to your brain is "WTF?!" because you think these two scream for the same kind of pattern like that for Iraq or the famous "war on t.". What makes it letting even self-called intellectuals not recognize the (just assume: possible) similiarities and become a little more decent?
It's like you wouldn't notice a person which has a fully functioning billboard with lights and everything hanging round his throat. You've got to be blind to not see it...
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-04-17 12:10 pm (UTC)
Some people, it seems, are happy to be fooled every time.

Even by people like Boris Johnson who was sacked as a journalist for confecting a story and later from the then shadow cabinet for lying to his party leader.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2018-04-17 01:28 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's a "wanting to be fooled".
Sometimes I get the impression like "it feels so nice to think of oneself as something smarter and better than other people", even if that is not the truth.
You know... Some people like to think of themselves as something better quality-wise 'cause otherwise they'd have to face the bias and indoctrination of their own side of things. They'd have to realize that their fraction doesn't know all the answers either - which then forces them to think for themselves and this exactly is what they're not capable of.
Talking about "calling other people stupid" to feel not stupid yourself...
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-04-17 03:09 pm (UTC)
We're still very tribal. A lot of people- including highly intelligent people- believe in "my country right or wrong" even though they wouldn't put it in quite those terms.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2018-04-17 03:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, just like that. "My kin is the good and all others are the bad", archaic stuff like that.
Well, only thing I don't get about it is: From people which consider themselves "intellectual", or at least "not dumb", I'd expect them to be aware of this fact and not let their judgment be guided too much by it.
This is like a sign for me "no, you're not intellectual - you're more like a well-trained primate".
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[User Picture]From: davesmusictank
2018-04-17 11:41 am (UTC)
It does ..and wreaks of fishy shananigans of an establishment in camera ..doing deals and keeping stumm.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-04-17 12:13 pm (UTC)
You can see that and I can see that. So why are so many people unable to?
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[User Picture]From: davesmusictank
2018-04-17 06:53 pm (UTC)
Perhaps they are scared to make waves .. or just look the other way. It just makes me feel so frustrated,
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[User Picture]From: heleninwales
2018-04-17 02:28 pm (UTC)
I sometimes wonder if there are any real journalists any more. There is little money in news these days and most newspapers just churn out slightly modified press releases or news bought in from one of the agencies. That's why all the papers run the same stories, just given a bit of a slant to suit their readership.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-04-17 03:04 pm (UTC)
That's very true. I think there are a still a few proper investigative journalists hanging on by the skin of their teeth. For instance Robert Fisk at the Indy- who has just posted an eye-opening report from inside Douma. Mainly, though, if I want to find out what's really going I turn to the internet.
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