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You've Come A Long Way, Baby [Apr. 2nd, 2018|11:16 am]
Tony Grist
I was born into a world before rock and roll, before space travel, before the birth control pill and long, long before the Internet.

Every pope for nearly half a millennium had been Italian.

Telephones were made of Bakelite and tethered to the wall; not many people had them; if you wanted to place a call you went through the operator. Televisions were boxes with miniscule black and white screens. Most movies were still in black and white. Computers took up vast amounts of space.

Stalin was still alive. The Berlin wall was yet to be built. European cities- including London- were pocked with bomb sites. The British empire was still in existence. Prince Charles was a wee small boy.

Einstein was still calculating, Stravinsky was still composing, Picasso was still in his never-faltering prime. T.S Eliot was all but finished as a poet but still cast a living shadow. Hemingway and Camus had yet to win their Nobel prizes. Ezra Pound was locked up in a mental institution.

Racism and sexism and classism were socially acceptable. The "f" word was unprintable but the "n" word wasn't. It was widely held that women couldn't be comedians because they just weren't funny. White actors blacked up to play Othello and stuck feathers in their hair to play Native Americans. Male homosexuality was illegal. Lesbians were invisible.

Adults smoked as a matter of course. A lot of men used pipes. Bing Crosby smoked marijuana but you wouldn't have known it.

Footballers were working-class men and drew working-class wages. You had to be an "amateur" to play at Wimbledon.

And so on. And so on. And so on.....
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[User Picture]From: pondhopper
2018-04-02 01:38 pm (UTC)

You and I are pretty much the same age and except for places where we grew up and some cultural differences, as I read your list I find it hard to absorb that so much has changed in our short lifetimes. 65 years is a blink in time and it's a whole new world. Mind boggling.

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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-04-02 01:54 pm (UTC)
It makes you wonder what the next half century will bring....
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2018-04-02 01:39 pm (UTC)
I guess, sometimes that's pretty unbelievable to youngsters or to pretty snobby uneducated-about-the-world people. Simply, they can't grasp it.
They can't grasp worlds without that stuff which they have grown up with or which they live with as "self-evident" in their image of the world.
Sometimes it's even remarkable what came over a process of 20 years only. How the world and circumstances have changed through such a (relatively short) period of time.
And - remarkable about it all - that people also didn't drop dead from not having this or that. Or that certain social marginalized groups existed back then even though, they only organized themselves differently to be who they wanted to be. Some even were able to live their lives relatively openly because they, like, never took the conventional way of live of an adult with wife, kids and a house. They just, officially, remained alone for all their lives. And did what they wanted to do behind closed doors - not making it a matter of public discussion.
Think, that's something that a good bunch of people is missing these days...
Not living like "in your face!", but being happy even though.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-04-02 02:04 pm (UTC)
A lot of the guys who taught me were old bachelors. We thought nothing of it at the time- but knowing what I now know I presume most of them were gay- and very deeply closeted. Were they happy? Fulfilled? Who knows? They went to their graves without letting on.

There was so much guilt around sexuality- of all kinds- when I was a kid.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2018-04-02 06:41 pm (UTC)
Well, I can't say I get this guilt aspect these days anymore with my brain.
But, on the other hand, even lesser I get the culture of these days which works disproportionally with sexuality. Like - does everything have to be associated with it? Can't I have some small zone or area for once that doesn't circulate around it? In that point, I feel like they've totally overdone it.
And I don't perceive that as "conservatism" or "being prudish", to me it just feels like "Don't you have other features to advertise your products?" and "Don't you have anything else to get your brain hot about?".
Adult men, when they're in their 40s and 50s, and they still keep paying lots of attention to impress women, it just seems to me like some primates, rather than humans or any other kind of lifeform which made it to climb down the tree.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-04-02 06:52 pm (UTC)
Our society is over-sexed; I'd agree with that.

But maybe things are changing. The fall of Harvey Weinstein was a landmark event- and we're still dealing with the repercussions and implications.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2018-04-02 07:37 pm (UTC)
Hm... I more feel like it's two fronts which start to fight each other.
On one side, you have those self-asserted "women rights fighters", those from the ideological bubble of feminism which claim to know how to do each and every single thing in order to "harm no woman", and which, in their own may, more insert conservatism and prudishness through the backdoor than anything else because they regard each and every sexual or flirting behavior as harassment - and they try to make everyone become convinced of that position dogmatically and aggressively.
And then, on the opposing side, you have that front which glorifies the "good old times", which thinks this overly sexualized mindset is the standard that mankind should live by and everyone else who doesn't agree or wants this behavior for him-/herself is a wallflower.
Both fronts are disgusting in their own way, I think, 'cause there's no realistic style to get closer to that topic and discuss about things from both fronts.
One side behaves like they could make it to become the women's affairs officer in a Sharia-ruled theocratic country, and the other behaves like wanting to get on everyone's nerves with their physical and mental selves all the time without a word of criticism...
Both paths are not the way which culture should be lead to, if no-one shall be left behind.
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[User Picture]From: halfmoon_mollie
2018-04-02 11:42 pm (UTC)
You're only six months older than I am....and Prince Charles is older than both of us.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-04-03 07:52 am (UTC)
He's waited longer for the throne than any other royal heir.
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[User Picture]From: halfmoon_mollie
2018-04-03 02:43 pm (UTC)
Longer than Bertie waited? I don't know my history.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-04-03 03:21 pm (UTC)
Edward VII was 59 when he became king. Charles is 69.
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[User Picture]From: halfmoon_mollie
2018-04-04 10:05 pm (UTC)
Told you I don't know any history!
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