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Guns [Oct. 3rd, 2017|09:58 am]
Tony Grist
Maybe if the entertainment industry rowed back a bit on the idea that guns are cool.

You know, fewer spectacular shootouts, fewer scenes where the hero cop or whoever edges down a corridor with gun held out as if it were a natural extension of the human body.

Maybe the odd scenario in which the person with the gun is made to look a bit of a prat.

It needs to start somewhere.

And it's not just an American problem. A few weeks back the Russians unveiled a statue of the guy who designed and gave his name to the Kalashnikov...  
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[User Picture]From: idahoswede
2017-10-03 10:52 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, the Russian statute honouring the Kalashnikov had to be altered since it was holding a German weapon.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-10-03 11:42 am (UTC)
Yes, I saw that- and loved it!
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[User Picture]From: r_garun
2017-10-03 01:04 pm (UTC)
only a drawing on the monument that has already been taken down
in general, would not say that AKM and Schmeisser are one and the same
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[User Picture]From: howlin_wolf_66
2017-10-03 11:32 am (UTC)
There are a lot less movie scenes like that than there were in the 80's... but the problem still persists. These entertainments are exported around the world... and yet the rest of the world doesn't have this problem to anything LIKE the same extent.

It's not external causes; it's a mindset - which refers to your last point... When was the last weapon mass casualty in Russia? There you go...
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-10-03 11:58 am (UTC)
I think you're right about the 80s. I remember a time when almost every movie poster seemed to feature some dude pointing an enormous gun at the viewer.

You're right of course; other countries have mass shootings every now and then- but the USA suffers them on a daily basis. There's a deep-seated craziness in that culture.
I've tried to understand the mind-set of the US gun lobby and it defeats me.
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[User Picture]From: r_garun
2017-10-03 01:11 pm (UTC)
>>I've tried to understand the mind-set of the US gun lobby and it defeats me.

watched "Bowling for Columbine" by Michael Moore?
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-10-03 03:28 pm (UTC)
Yes, I've seen that movie.

The gun lobby bewilders me too. It's like a religion. You can't argue with them. They're true believers and they know that they're right.
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[User Picture]From: r_garun
2017-10-03 01:08 pm (UTC)
This summer there was a case: the shooter kept the defense with a hunting carbine for about 8 hours against the Russian guard, killed five, including employees
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[User Picture]From: howlin_wolf_66
2017-10-03 02:36 pm (UTC)
We even have them here, but the point is, the tighter the restrictions, the less frequent they are.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-10-03 03:33 pm (UTC)
I'm British. We have mass shootings too. But they're rare by US standards.
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[User Picture]From: r_garun
2017-10-03 01:12 pm (UTC)
I sympathize
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[User Picture]From: huskyteer
2017-10-03 01:28 pm (UTC)
This has always been Doctor Who's stance (though recently the sonic screwdriver might as well be a gun).
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-10-03 03:37 pm (UTC)
The Doctor's commitment to non-violence has wobbled at times but the programme gets brownie points for giving us a hero who despises guns.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2017-10-03 02:26 pm (UTC)
Been uphappy for years with the depicturing of them in video games and movies. Especially the mechanics 'cause they're so far away from reality. Shoot a hundred bullets into a creature, only with those 100 it falls down... Which in reality shouldn't even take a clip full of 15. Total nonsense.
Otherwise than that, it also makes me unhappy which charaters go round and carry them. Nowhere the going down on it "I only defend myself against something that can't be stopped by talking", no "if we got the choice, let's solve conflicts differently" and, at most, no really responsible handling of them. I think the latter is the biggest part. Depicturing responsible acting with guns, using them when you need them and meanwhile you know what it means killing somebody.
All of that what is zeitgeist culture either hammers on the "guns are bad"-button in general, or they overuse them like there's nothing better than killing a few bullets each day - with no thinking about what you actually do there.

Compared to that, I rather prefer the hard way. Perhaps gory, but without the glorification. Saying, what you do is dealing and handing out death. Making decisions that are final. And whoever can't bear to run around with that guilt on your back, he shouldn't think about taking one into his hand...
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-10-03 03:44 pm (UTC)
The entertainment media generally skirt round the consequences of killing. In reality no-one (unless they're a total psychopath) walks away from killing with a quip on their lips. For most people killing a fellow human being- even in a kill or be killed situation- is a life changing experience. The guilt/pain/regret never goes away.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2017-10-03 08:28 pm (UTC)
I think, only the full-blown Nazis who lived in the Third Reich were capable of that.
But they also had their society system which denied the tragedy of the death of certain groups of people by regarding them as unworthy insects, and they also had their special upbringing since childhood which made them so untroubled in their handling of cruelty done by their own hands.
How much the latter thing plays a role you see if you hear stories of cruelty of the first children born after the war, how their parents could treat them just from "boredom" or if they didn't obey as the adults wanted. The parents didn't literally punish them in that case, they tormented them...
And they could think all that they did was completely alright.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-10-03 07:23 pm (UTC)
I somehow resent the idea to be talked to like a child by entertainment industry. I am and adult, I know what guns are and can rationally analyse the situation with them and come to what I think a reasonable policy position re gun control. And I can separate it from fiction and entertainment industry. The idea that I need the entertainment industry to hammer into my head that "guns are not cool" for me to get it right is almost insulting to me. If that's how we arrive at our policy positions and are OK with it then guns is not our main problem, it is this.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-10-03 07:45 pm (UTC)
I'd welcome it if our movies etc became less violent- because I think the entertainment industry not only reflects but moulds social attitudes, but I'm not advocating censorship or asking the entertainers to preach. What I'm hoping for is a change of heart, for greater emotional intelligence. I think it's kind of naff that we (and I'm including myself in this) find violence so entertaining- and I want humankind to raise its consciousness a notch or two.

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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-10-03 08:19 pm (UTC)
I just don't think that change of heart should start with or be led by entertainment industry. I'd welcome if we became less violent and then our movies would too as a consequence.
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