On this occasion the interviewer was a fierce young man from Al-Jazeera and the interviewee was the whiskery Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Zizek and they were talking about the US election.
The interviewer's case went- "Sanders good, Clinton goodish, Trump unspeakable." Zizeck's case- in so far as he was allowed to make it- was "Sanders good, Clinton unspeakable, Trump unspeakable but at least he may get the left to wake up."
I tuned in because I'm interested in Zizek. He may be totally wrong but his ideas are interesting and nuanced and hopeful.