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Shut Up And Get On With It [Jan. 25th, 2017|11:02 am]
Tony Grist
Brexit: I reckon it's just a scam whereby men in suits get to earn huge sums of money for faffing around in committee rooms and skulking in corridors for several years. Not to forget the huge restaurant meals.

No, I don't really. It's just that I'm so tired of it now. Is it really so very important that all our national energy has to go on gabbing about it, day after day after day?

Just do it- or don't do it. Stop obsessing. No-one really knows the consequences. there are so many variables. So many unknown unknowns.

Particularly I'm tired of my mother poring over the Daily Telegraph at the breakfast table and surfacing at regular intervals to ask what Brexit means.

"And is it a good thing?" she asks.


I'd rather talk about almost anything else. Magic carpets for instance...

[User Picture]From: sorenr
2017-01-25 08:59 pm (UTC)
I am 100% completely against Brexit, but... If it has to happen, get on with it! Get it done so Europe can move on without the UK.

-Though of course it's not as simple as that, mainly because it was an advisory referendum and the majority was so slight. I get that it needs to be sorted out nationally before being an actual fact. It's just bloody frustrating and - yes - tiresome.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-01-25 09:18 pm (UTC)
I think it's right- constitutionally- that Parliament should have the final say on triggering Article 50. The Mail's line that the supreme court judges are "enemies of the people" is ugly and ignorant. It's trying to keep its readers fired up about something which isn't really that big an issue for most of them.
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[User Picture]From: sorenr
2017-01-26 09:05 am (UTC)
Meanwhile, magic carpets are truly more interesting. I want one - preferably a carbon-neutral one. Commuting would be so much more fun!

(Instead I'll drive for a few hours to have lunch with my grandmother and then go to a museum to hand in an heirloom that is technically ancient national property and then drive a few hours home. No time for the future today; it's all about the past!)
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-01-26 09:20 am (UTC)
That sounds like a perfectly pleasant and acceptable use of a day.
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[User Picture]From: heleninwales
2017-01-27 08:45 am (UTC)
If you're bored with Brexit and feel it's tiresome, then I suggest you campaign to have the referendum result overturned so we can just go back to normal. If Article 50 is triggered, Brexit will dominate the news for at least the next 2-5 years as all the details of what exactly a "Brexit" is are hashed out. The referendum only asked people whether they wanted to leave or remain in the EU. There was no mention of the single market or what on earth we would do if we left. There are the issues of Scotland, Norther Ireland and Gibraltor to sort out and though Wales (very marginally) voted Leave, leaving the Single Market will destroy the Welsh economy and thousands of jobs will be lost in the poorest part of the UK. So far from finding it boring, I see it as the most important issue of my lifetime if the UK is to have a future.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-01-27 09:13 am (UTC)
I don't see how overturning the Referendum would settle the issue. The Brexiteers would simply call foul and agitate for an overturn of the overturn.

The EU is a Tory party obsession- and so long as they're running things I can't see them letting the issue drop.
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[User Picture]From: sorenr
2017-01-27 09:27 am (UTC)
I don't think anybody who cares about the UK or the EU can really be "bored" with Brexit; if anything I'm perhaps getting overwrought by following it compulsively.

Campaigning about it as a foreigner would feel wrong, though. And even if I WERE to contact the local MP from when I lived in London... Well, that's Jeremy Corbyn, so that seems like a lost cause! (I'm still shocked that he is really prepared to issue a three-line whip on the parliamentary vote; that is just so, so wrong...)

And yes, large swathes of the UK are most decidedly better off remaining in the EU, from the City of London to Wales. And I think the EU is better off with the UK as a member as well, but the current situation is hurting the EU, so that's my reason for wanting a quick resolution. (And I know "quick" is not measured in months but in years when it comes to this sort of arrangements.) And with only the LibDems prepared to act as an actual opposition party in this matter I'm a bit pessimistic.

As an aside: I've also lived "part-time" in Scotland a few years, so that's another layer of concern piled on top. As oil revenues have dropped significantly in recent years, would Scotland be able to succeed on their own as an EU member or are they better off staying within the UK even if it might be outside EU? I don't know - and it seems nobody knows, really.

So no, it's not boring. But we do need a resolution ASAP - and when I write that I really mean "as soon as possible" and not "by the end of March"; it will take a lot longer. But it is tiresome - as in "exhausting" - because I simply cannot NOT care.

(I've also lived in the US, so you can imagine that also takes its toll these days. And France, where the upcoming presidential election is worrying. I just don't like news these days.)
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