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Please... [Nov. 9th, 2016|05:02 pm]
Tony Grist
Please, fellow liberals, less of the illiberality.

Try to understand why people who aren't liberals have voted the way they did. No-one is without reasons. No-one has a monopoly on virtue.

And please stop accusing Trump voters of racism and misogyny. It may be true of some. But not all by any means. Don't demonise your opponent. It just deepens the division.

Understand that this election was between two of the least popular candidates ever. There were good reasons for not supporting Hillary. Very good reasons.  Many will have voted for Trump as the lesser of two evils.

And try to rein in the fear and hysteria. Fear is disabling. You're only hurting yourselves.

[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2016-11-09 07:09 pm (UTC)
I'm glad I didn't have a vote in this election. If I had done I'd probably have voted for one of the independent candidates.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2016-11-09 07:48 pm (UTC)
I would either vote for one of the independent candidates too or not at all. I would not be able to vote for either Hillary or Trump.

I find Hillary's supporters' ott hysterics that everyone around them is a racist homophobic bigot and holocaust is upon us disgusting though (this is actually one of the things that put Trump in the White House, people are tired of it). And the idea that Hillary lost because she is a woman is preposterous. Yeah, she lost because she is a woman...who is terrible at most things.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2016-11-09 08:25 pm (UTC)
Women have made it to the top job in many countries now. Angela Merkel is the single most powerful person in Europe. Here, in Britain, we're already on our second female Prime Minister. I don't see why a woman shouldn't become President of the USA too. All it will take is a candidate that the electorate can respect and like. Hillary just wasn't that woman.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2016-11-09 08:53 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: haikujaguar
2016-11-09 09:30 pm (UTC)
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From: browngirl
2016-11-12 06:35 am (UTC)
All right, if there are no bigots among Trump's supporters, who's doing all of these acts, then?


I really wish sometimes that in the United States we considered it worse to practice bigotry than to point out bigotry. But pointing out bigotry is considered "disgusting" while the acts detailed in the article above are considered wacky hijinks.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2016-11-12 01:24 pm (UTC)
It worse to practice bigotry than to point out bigotry in the US and have been for years.
I did not say that there were no bigots, do not know why decided to say that I was.
Yeah, we can twist someones words and do random links form both sides and claim that ours is all the evidence that is required and the other links are just flukes. But this is exactly the debating strategy that is not working anymore and that people are not buying anymore. And that's why we fucked up and ended up with Trump. Overexaggerating and demonising the other side, getting a couple of links and examples that suits us and and trying to shut up and shame the other side is not going to work. We need to get back to the drawing board, there is a lot of work to be done to undo this wave of right-wing tide sweeping not only the US but also Europe. And we are responsible for it and we need to look what we got wrong that so many people who voted for us are not buying our message anymore for some reason and not just write it all off on "Oh there are even more biggots than we thought and they are even more bigoted than we thought! Let's get even more outraged and shame more!". No let's work with people, even those that are not where we are at yet. I can bombard you with selected links too but this just isn't going to get anyone anywhere (this election is the proof).
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