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Unconnected Thoughts About The Referendum [Jun. 22nd, 2016|10:33 am]
Tony Grist
The campaign has been hard to ignore- and has been getting progressively nastier. Britain has not been a happy place these past few weeks. It's like we've been breathing bad air.

Nigel Farage just couldn't help himself- and released a poster that was all about race.

The parties of the left have been playing awkward second fiddle. I like Jeremy Corbyn but he hasn't shown any leadership. "The EU is horrible but it's better than the alternative" is hardly a rallying cry.

Labour and the Conservatives are both going to come out of the campaign damaged.

This hasn't been about party. Generally speaking those who have prospered in recent years are in favour of the EU, those who haven't are against it.

The leadership of the one camp is made up of establishment smoothies, the leadership of the other is made up of odd bods. I don't think I need to spell out which is which.

Whichever way we vote a bunch of Tories is going to have won.

I keep thinking "Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind". The vote will settle nothing very much. The government will still be divided, the fight will carry on, heads will roll-  and  the EU will totter from crisis to crisis.  I hesitate to use the word "anarchy" but it keeps thrusting itself forward so I shall.

[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2016-06-22 09:40 am (UTC)
I will look foward to what the election cheaters and vote buyers do... Never trust too much, there's something fishy going on by guarantee.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2016-06-22 10:03 am (UTC)
It's going to be interesting...
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[User Picture]From: heleninwales
2016-06-22 10:36 am (UTC)
If the Vote Leave campaign had put up a well-thought out plan for a credible future for the UK outside Europe, my determination to vote Remain might have wavered, but they haven't. It's just hand-wavy, oh I'm sure we'll be OK and everything will be rainbows and kittens and we won't have any nasty foreigners coming here any more.

If the people who aren't doing well are blaming the EU, whose fault is that? It's actually nothing to do with the EU. The gutter press have dripped lies about Europe into the gullible ears of the ill-informed for years. All that stuff about straight bananas and cucumbers was rubbish. Most of the supposed EU regulation was downright lies. And the grievance over fishing quotas might be genuine but a) fishing had to be controlled due to dramatic decline in fish stocks, b) the British government's worship of the free market meant that our UK allowance was sold off to the highest bidder, regardless of nationality. Yes, the government they think will look after them when we're out of Europe were the people who screwed them over fishing rights.

And this 350 million pounds we'll save, that's a lie too. That's the gross cost. At the moment we get most of it back via the rebate and regional funding. If we do leave and they actually keep their promise to put all that money into the NHS, then they're taking it from all the regional projects in education, transport and job-creation. Yes, the NHS is important, but not at the expense of making a future for young people.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2016-06-22 11:07 am (UTC)
We're being offered a choice between Tory Project A and Tory Project B. The Left has flunked the opportunity to make a good left-wing case for either staying or leaving.
I'm inclined to see tomorrow's vote as the beginning of something rather than the end.
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[User Picture]From: howlin_wolf_66
2016-06-22 01:51 pm (UTC)
Maybe the beginning of the end!
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2016-06-22 04:16 pm (UTC)
The end of the EU possibly...
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[User Picture]From: qatsi
2016-06-22 06:56 pm (UTC)
An outside chance, but I did read a piece about London going for independence in the event of Brexit. Journalistic hyperbole, no doubt, but I think it's fairly obvious Scotland would go. And if Wales and London also have "in" votes, countered by the north of England and the Midlands ... Given how bad-tempered it's all been, Balkanization seems a possibility.
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