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The Way It Is [Feb. 20th, 2016|11:44 am]
Tony Grist
We die, we go back to the place we came from- hang about there for a while- and then get born again.

The place we come from is more or less whatever we imagine it to be- an adventure theme park, an endless month in the country or a university- or even the traditional heaven or hell- if that's what we feel we deserve. Think of it as a holiday destination; great fun- but after a while one itches to get back to work. And so we set about crafting our next earthly life, choosing the where and the when of it, with a view to what we'd like to experience or learn or achieve. From the perspective of the afterlife each earthly incarnation is like a game or a role in a film or play. It's something we throw ourselves into for a limited time in the knowledge that we'll be returning soon.  It's an adventure. We go on doing this- dying, being born, dying, being born, until we feel we've had enough of it and have got everything we can out of it- and then we move on- further in, deeper, higher up (but all this spatial stuff is metaphor) and...well, that's about all that someone still incarnating is competent to say.

We're not alone in this enterprise. We have friends on both sides of the divide- people who incarnate alongside us and others who
follow our progress from the other side (spirit guides) who are available to offer advice and guidance and (once in a while) stop us from walking in front of speeding vehicles.

It's one of the conditions of earthly existence that we should mostly forget where we've come from. To get the most out of the game you've got to be immersed in it. Besides- as Eliot said- "humankind cannot bear very much reality".

Our earthly minds and bodies are like old fashioned diving suits- heavy vehicles designed for use in a heavy medium.  Vision is restricted, movement is restricted. If the diver tilts his head back he may see there's light filtering down from the surface- and remember that his friends are waiting for him back in the boat- but mostly what he's aware of is darkness and fish. That's as it should be. The darkness and the fish are his present business and need to occupy most of his thought, but it's still good if he keeps at the back of his mind the knowledge that he'll be going back to the surface when his time runs out.  Our culture has very largely forgotten about the going back to the surface- and that's a pity. Knowing there's another world- however vague the knowledge- instils hope and purpose, because what's the point of finding out all about fish if you don't go home and share it with others?

From: athenais
2016-02-21 03:29 am (UTC)
Then where do new souls come from and what is the reason for them if there's a billion people reincarnating over and over again?
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2016-02-21 09:59 am (UTC)
Souls- meaning us- are fragments of the consciousness of the universe (or God- none of these words is adequate) and incarnate here on earth to explore the possibilities inherent in matter.

This model supposes that creation is a continuing process and that we are part of it.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2016-02-21 10:10 am (UTC)
PS. But souls complete their cycles of incarnation and retire back into the world of spirit (where the human mind is incapable of following them) which leaves the field open for new souls to come in.

Where do souls come from? Why from "God" of course. If God is infinite then I suppose the potential number of souls (who are fragments of the divine) is infinite too.
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From: athenais
2016-02-21 04:25 pm (UTC)
Interesting. I was raised to believe in death as part of moving on, continuing towards God on other planes of existence. No returning, reincarnating, do overs; being mortal is one phase of the process. Also no heaven and no hell or Satan or original sin, though the business with the Holy Trinity is pretty well glossed over. You can believe or not believe, I think. Not sure, haven't been to church in 45 years or so.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2016-02-21 06:28 pm (UTC)
I grew up with the same sort of theology- liberal, sticking to the Christian agenda but glossing over the less palatable bits, afraid of its own shadow....
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