I agree about the decadence and one liners - it's become terribly self referential and clever. And it's now always about the end of the universe, annihilation cranked up to 11 every single time.
But I love Peter Capaldi. I feel certain it's redeemable, maybe back to some good old _small_ battles against evil?
I think it needs to be prised out of Stephen Moffat's hands. I'm sorry to have come to that conclusion because there was a time- back in the Davies era- when he was writing the show's best scripts.
Agreed on all points. I watched last week's episode with my daughter, and we had almost exactly that conversation.
I know the BBC isn't going to want to do anything drastic to such a popular, money-making franchise, but I wish they'd take it away from Moffat and let someone else have a go.
I heard that viewing figures were significantly down last week, compared the season opener last year. That may concentrate managerial minds.
I'll have been one of the viewers who was missing. I finally caught up through the i-player.
They need to give it a rest. Its pretty much become the type of show only the die hards still watch - and they seem to forgive anything.
I suppose I qualify as a die hard. My memories go back to the Hartnell era- and I hold the show in great affection. To be honest it's often been a bit rubbish, but there have been better patches than the one its going through at the moment.
I've been watching it since the 1960s.
Well, see - that's my problem. Do I just dive in now or do I go back and binge watch half a century of episodes? It's easier to just let it alone.
I'd leave it alone if I were you. It's never been that good. For the spell to work it has to be laid on you when you're young and uncritical.
I can't see kids enjoying it any more. I did, briefly, start watching it again from the re-launch until the David Tennant era, then I just lost interest because it had become all about the Doctor and not about having adventures in space and time.
The Doctor was a more interesting character when we knew less about him. Now the magic and mystery have all but gone- and he's just another superhero.
Lots of folk want to watch it when they want. The seven-day totals may tell a different story (I admit I haven't seen them). It was also suggested that some folks want to watch both parts of the two-parter one right after another.
I thought the episode was a lovely follow-up on Tom Baker's "Do I have the right?" moment in Genesis of the Dalek.
Besides, Capaldi channeled Roy Orbison, so for me the episode was full of win for that, if for nothing else. I will say this incarnation of Davros reminds me more than a little of the Emperor in the first Star Wars trilogy, wanting so badly to bring The Doctor over to the dark side.
Finally, I absolutely adore Peter Capaldi's crochety Doctor, and I like where Moffatt goes with things.But what do I know? I'm just a tasteless Umerrican.
I'll continue to watch- and maybe part 2 will make me revise my opinion.
One thing I do approve of is the decision to have more two part stories. I've always thought 40 minutes was too short.
I utterly adored Part II. I'll be interested to hear what you think.
I'll probably watch it later today.
I've watched it now.
I liked it better than Part I, but all that bluffing and double-crossing made my head spin.
Perhaps I'm just not in the mood...
I thought it provided closure with a capital C. I was okay with all the double-crossing: they've been doing that for years. Have you ever seen the Red Nose and/or Comedy Central episode, The Curse of the Fatal Death? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM
Closure? But these accounts are never closed. Davros will be back and so will Missy/the Master.
I watched that Red Nose sketch when it was first broadcast. I think it came at a time when the show was in abeyance.
The closure was with Boy Davros, and with us (having been shown the Doctor apparently pointing his gun-thingy at a child, shudder).
Edited to add: and now that the Doctor's regeneration energy has been added to Every.Single.Dalek, it's very possible that they'll all have a scintilla of compassion -- Davros, too -- and that will complicate his evil schemes.
Edited at 2015-09-29 03:26 pm (UTC)
The latest episode (I mean the opening one) gave me similar feelings.
I had felt the Moffat era was out of steam, but then I thought he did a great job with the 50th anniversary (which had to please so many different audiences), and I also thought last year's season found new creative legs and got a bit more experimental and dark. The one where the Moon was an egg was probably the silliest thing Doctor Who has ever done and I didn't like that ... but I think some episodes managed more atmosphere and thoughtfulness than has become the Doctor Who norm. And Clara as a more realistic adult with a realistic job worked so much better.
I thought the new episode suffered from idea hyperventilation. The hands with eyes reaching out of the mud, the gradually appearing planet, the person made of snakes - those ideas needed more breathing room if they were to grow into something more coherent.
And, yeah, if you're going to still be using the Daleks at this stage, I think it's time to break through into using them in some much, much fresher and re-imagined way.
Yes, the episode was over-crowded. It's one of Moffat's besetting faults- he overloads his scripts with ideas and images and leaves most of them undeveloped and undigested. He needs an editor to tell him when enough's enough- and I'll bet he doesn't have one.
I wish he'd put the daleks out to pasture. They stopped being scary about 40 years ago.
He needs an editor and maybe that's why his stuff under RTD was so good. I think they were a pretty complementary mix.
I'll try to avoid a rant, but I think the Daleks have been pretty mis-used in both the new series and the classic series. The design was brilliant for conveying them as very alien but also a recognisably arrogant and withdrawn kind of evil, and it works if they are conniving mandarins swishing around inside a city-palace. I think the Doctor Who production team should either totally re-think how they're going to let that design inform narratives, and how they're going to stage the design -
- or they should just wheel out the Daleks briefly once in a while for novelty's sake, because they're never going to be able to stop themselves doing that at least.
You know i tend to agree. Moffat has become trapped in his own success and we need new writers badly. I still think Capaldi could be good but somewhat hamfisted by the scripts.
Edited at 2015-09-27 09:30 am (UTC)
Capaldi is a terrific actor, but I don't feel he's nailed the role yet.
OH, well said, sir. I've about had it with the show as well. For my money, no one could top David Tennant but that's just my humble opinion