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Scots Whae Hae [Apr. 22nd, 2015|10:22 am]
Tony Grist
I'm thinking Scottish independence is inevitable now. The SNP looks set to sweep the country and all the established parties are going on about how the Nats mustn't be allowed to have any say in British as opposed to strictly national politics and how Nicola Sturgeon is the most dangerous woman in the world- thereby insulting and denigrating the Scots and making them even bolshier than they were before.  Personally, I'm not longer sure what the Union is meant to be for- and if the Scots want to live in a pocket sized socialist Utopia I don't see why they shouldn't (actually i rather fancy living in one of those myself.)  I think small nations are the future. We're seeing it all over; the empires and federations are under internal pressure- and likely to bust apart. I don't expect the UK to last out my lifetime- or the European Union. As for the United States and China as presently constituted, well, I'm pretty ignorant about conditions on the ground- but I keep getting these reports...
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[User Picture]From: glitzfrau
2015-04-22 09:42 am (UTC)
Some empires are busting apart. Russia and Isis seem to be doing quite nicely at expanding, though :-(
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2015-04-22 09:54 am (UTC)
Don't see where Russia is expanding.
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[User Picture]From: glitzfrau
2015-04-22 09:54 am (UTC)
Crimea? Donetsk?
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2015-04-22 10:09 am (UTC)
Crimea was given as a present by Khrushchev in the 50s without asking anyone, a national referendum in the 90s after the breakdown of the USSR was canceled under mysterious circumstances and it was proclaimed from above "we belong to the Ukraine". Historically it belongs to Russia and what happened a year ago comes close for the first time what should have been already done about 25 years ago.
And Donetsk is something that started in the local population which saw itself going to be reigned by a government which hates their culture, their language, their actual and their felt national identity like poison.
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[User Picture]From: glitzfrau
2015-04-22 10:12 am (UTC)
Neither of your points above contradicts my assertion that Russia is expanding successfully, though.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2015-04-22 10:16 am (UTC)
It's rather: Things that once belonged to the Rus, where the Rus left its traces, find their way back to the origin they came from.
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[User Picture]From: glitzfrau
2015-04-22 10:17 am (UTC)
The historic Rus is not co-extensive with the modern Russian Federation, though. The current state is expanding.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2015-04-22 10:32 am (UTC)
It is not, but it is base part of modern Russia and a base part of Eastern Europe.
The Baltic states try to deny this, try to declare themselves to be Europe while they have only partly been European, and treat their Rus inheritage like unpleasant dirt as well as those people which were declared or which declare themselves to be part of this inheritage.
Ever heard of that people with a Russian passport which always lived in that area are 2nd class people there? They're not allowed to vote and they're treated like Non-citizens?
Ever heard of Nazi culture being more cherished in the Baltic states than the far longer routed Russian culture?
Ukraine tries to go the same way (again), but this time they meet local resistence on this way - maybe also due to the means the forces now in power also picked as getting into this power.
The resistence is the sign of a part of the population saying "our roots are in there and you can't take this out of us!"
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2015-04-22 10:08 am (UTC)
Yes, but- you could also view the rebels of eastern Ukraine and Isis as independence movements of sorts.
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[User Picture]From: glitzfrau
2015-04-22 10:14 am (UTC)
Really? The rebels of eastern Ukraine don't want a splinter state, they want federation with Russia, and equally ISIS wants a unitary caliphate with as large a remit as possible.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2015-04-22 10:30 am (UTC)
I think both views are possible. The reality on the ground is almost certainly messier than we have any means of knowing.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2015-04-22 10:20 am (UTC)
I don't know which part of the mind this association comes from, but the current Middle East situation somehow brings a recall of the Ottoman empire back into the mind.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2015-04-22 10:35 am (UTC)
The Ottoman Empire got smashed and the victorious powers divided its territories up in a highly unsatisfactory way. Heaven only knows what the Middle East will look like after the present wars have run their course.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2015-04-22 11:20 am (UTC)
Yeah, like reunion of this because of the reason that current borders are a product of European interference into territories they don't have an idea of during at least the last 100 years intensively (in the post-WWII time, also add the United States to it).
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