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Religious Controversy [Apr. 24th, 2014|09:58 am]
Tony Grist
Jo, our chief carer is a Polish Catholic. She annoys me anyway with all her incessant chatter, chatter, chatter. (Dear Jo, if I want to know what your cat- the English blue-  has been up to I'll ask you.) This morning she started off about the beatification of Pope John Paul and how wonderful it was and if I hadn't checked myself and held up my hands and said, "No, lets not argue about religion," I'd have descended into the maelstrom...
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[User Picture]From: ideealisme
2014-04-24 09:04 am (UTC)
The Vatican didn't move half so fast when it came to child abuse. There's meant to be a good while of due reflection before you canonise somebody, so that you aren't tainted by generational prejudice. To me, in the repressive and corrupt country I had the misfortune to be born in, Karol Wojtyla has some good intentions, but there are people who deserve to be canonised far more than he. FAR more.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2014-04-24 09:44 am (UTC)
John Paul is one of the great figures of 20th century history, but also- as such people are- deeply controversial.
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[User Picture]From: glitzfrau
2014-04-24 03:23 pm (UTC)
Not to speak of Wojtyla's obnoxious views on abortion and on liberation theology.
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[User Picture]From: splodgenoodles
2014-04-24 09:17 am (UTC)
Oooh good response! :D
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2014-04-24 09:45 am (UTC)
If she'd only known what a huge red rag she was waving in front of me....
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[User Picture]From: splodgenoodles
2014-04-24 10:36 am (UTC)
I reckon she might have noticed...
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2014-04-24 12:51 pm (UTC)
People who talk all the time often do so because they don't want to have to listen.
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[User Picture]From: puddleshark
2014-04-24 09:53 am (UTC)
Actually a very saintly response...
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2014-04-24 10:12 am (UTC)
It alarms me that I'm so easy to wind up.
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From: artkouros
2014-04-24 11:30 am (UTC)
There's a blue cat?
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2014-04-24 12:36 pm (UTC)
Apparently
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2014-04-24 11:40 am (UTC)
Don't open this religious chapter with a politcal interested.
It's always said about him that he was only elected as a Pope to abuse the weak spot of Poland in fighting the Iron Curtain - and according to the biography of Wałęsa that Wikipedia spits out just by itself, I am even ready to believe that.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2014-04-24 12:37 pm (UTC)
I'm ready to believe that too.
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[User Picture]From: wyrmwwd
2014-04-24 04:12 pm (UTC)
Not being a Catholic, I do not feel that I have either the right or the inclination to argue about Catholicism to Catholics. I'll argue about it to non-Catholics, though.

I don't argue about Islam to Muslims, either, nor Judaism to Jews, nor Buddhism to Buddhists.

If I find myself in the position that you describe, I just say "hmmmm... interesting" and go my way. Pope John Paul was Catholic, so he was HER pope. His beatification enhances her identity. What he actually did is not important.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2014-04-24 04:59 pm (UTC)
Surely everyone has the right to argue about anything with anyone. Whether it's wise to argue is another matter.

I wouldn't argue with a Muslim about Islam because I know sod all about it, but as a person brought up- and trained as a priest- within the Anglican tradition I feel qualified to have opinions about our close cousins the Roman Catholics.
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