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Wish I'd Said It [Jan. 15th, 2018|02:08 pm]
Tony Grist
That's it. Emily Thornberry (who is a Labour Party high-up) has nailed the Trump experience- and the rest of us can stop racking our brains for the perfect turn of phrase. Trump, she said, in a TV interview- has hit the planet like " an asteroid of awfulness"- a formula which perfectly melds the momentous with the bathetic.


 


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[User Picture]From: topum
2018-01-15 06:32 pm (UTC)
Accept we chose him to hit us (well some of us), so the analogy doesn't really work.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-01-15 07:37 pm (UTC)
Yes but few analogies work in every detail.

Besides, Trump's impact is global and only a percentage of the population of one nation put him where he is today. For the rest of us he did rather come out of the blue.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2018-01-15 07:43 pm (UTC)
This doesn't work at all though. Nobody votes for asteroids, nobody at all. And many people outside of the US support him too and rooted for him during the election. What was his asteroid-like impact on us outside the US has been so far besides hysteria intended for political gain and really bad-taste tweets?
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[User Picture]From: steepholm
2018-01-15 08:21 pm (UTC)
Quite a big impact in Palestine, Vanuata and South Korea. As for the rest of us, we'll see: he's only had a year. Next up, Iran.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2018-01-15 08:32 pm (UTC)
Not like Palestine ever was a rose garden. Quite minor compared to the impact we had in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan for example. This hysteria just legitimises him. We take a good cause (from women's march to #metoo to being and SJW to opposing Trump) and turn it into a comical fest of feeding our own rage by going overboard to ridiculous length defeating the objective. Let's wait until he really produces that asteroid-like impact unseen before before we cry wolf hysterically because if we don't, nobody will listen to us anymore then.

Edited at 2018-01-15 08:35 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: steepholm
2018-01-15 11:29 pm (UTC)
I partly agree, and partly not. The "hysteria" is in large part a distraction (intentional or not, I don't know) from what Trump is actually doing, or attempting to do, and in that sense focusing on it or mistaking words for reality plays into his hands.

Nevertheless, when someone boasts of being a sexual predator, or lies or contradicts himself, or is plainly racist, then I think we need to say so and not let it slide. Letting it slide is the way that Overton windows get moved.

There's also the point that the moment after an asteroid strikes is probably the least useful moment to say, "Yup, that was an asteroid all right." In other words, it may make more sense to oppose Trump before he causes irreparable damage than after.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2018-01-15 11:35 pm (UTC)
Yes, but claiming that he is an asteroid based on us wanting him to be while his actual impact is not more asteroid-like than that of his predecessors is not a solution for this and is counterproductive I think. As to calling him out on his stupidity and the insane shit that he says, I completely agree with you and it is being done, I do not see us letting it slide. Literally every tweet results in a two weeks ad nauseam news cycle on CNN and other non-conservative news channels and most of it is justified. The guy is awful, we need to be practical and do what will get him out of office asap, not what makes us feel good (although I can totally understand the temptation I have to fight it too).

Edited at 2018-01-15 11:36 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-01-16 09:21 am (UTC)
The world has experienced a collective shudder of "what the fuck!" I think it's pretty epochal myself.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2018-01-16 10:19 am (UTC)
As much as I prefer not to speak on behalf of the world, I agree :). But I think overly exaggerating and needlessly dramatising it is getting both old and counterproductive. I think it is time for calm and pragmatic opposition rather than sensationalist catchphrases, which are counterproductive now. The man is awful, and he's got nothing of his own, he only feeds on our fuck ups and our hysteria and uses it to propel himself and we have been way to generous to him with it. I think it is time to stop raging and being dramatic and become practical about getting him out of that office asap. Hysteria and dramatic name calling is his territory and he feels at home there, we need to take way that "oxygen", he will do much worse in an "adult world". Still think that analogy doesn't work :).
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-01-16 11:32 am (UTC)
I agree with most of this. Shouting at Trump doesn't work. And actually- in terms of what he's doing- he's no worse that most other recent American presidents. They were crass and wicked too- only prettier. What he's achieved- inadvertently- is to expose the rottenness of our political norms- and his legacy will be a longing for reform.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2018-01-16 12:02 pm (UTC)
What doesn't work even more is taking his every tweet and writing an elaborate and hysterical PhD of an article on how some word that he used means that he is beyond a shadow of a doubt a complete and utter Hitler. That shit only helps him.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2018-01-16 03:31 pm (UTC)
Quite so. Calling him a Nazi or comparing him to Hitler muddies perception of what he actually is- which is- well- I'm not really sure....

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[User Picture]From: heleninwales
2018-01-17 02:23 pm (UTC)
It's not often that I agree with anything that Margaret Thatcher said, but I don't think we should give Trump what she called the "oxygen of publicity". He revels in it, though by his peevish refusal to open the new American embassy in London, he has shown that he needs to be adored and can't stand criticism.

So yes, call him out, but then look deeper to see what the latest media outrage is hiding and then expose what he or his government are doing rather than what he's saying.

Having said that, I am taking a "not my monkeys, not my circus," approach to Trump. I'm not American, I can't vote or do anything useful to oppose him and I have enough to worry about in my own country with the appalling stupidity of Brexit.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2018-01-17 03:08 pm (UTC)
Because of indifference like yours babies die. So you don't want to get hysterical about every word Trump says and scream that it certainly means the end of the world? You might as well be a baby killer. Same thing.
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