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Overheard In The Post Office [Dec. 2nd, 2017|12:03 pm]
Tony Grist
The man with the neatly barbered silver beard was complaining to the Post Office clerk about Christmas no longer being a Christian festival and she was playing along the way you do. "Some people don't want the religious stamps," she said. "Well that's all down to the BBC," he said, "Because it's run by gays and atheists."

At which she demurred....
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-12-02 12:58 pm (UTC)
He forgot the Jews I think, they always add the Jews when they blame the media.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-12-02 04:32 pm (UTC)
I guess he was thinking on his feet.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-12-02 04:41 pm (UTC)
What a noob. He just embarrassed himself.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-12-02 04:53 pm (UTC)
I'm always a little surprised when I hear people voicing these kind of views in public.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-12-02 05:05 pm (UTC)
I think not nearly enough of this is happening. I think a lot of people hold these views but know that they can't talk about them in public and it can only end in tears, election surprises are part of it. I want them to talk, firstly to know how many of them are around and secondly to have a better chance to change their minds because this is the only way to move forward since they are not going to move to the moon any time soon.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-12-02 08:15 pm (UTC)
I agree. It's better to have these ideas aired and debated. This guy wasn't being particularly aggressive, just speaking the truth as he saw it. The Post Office clerk apologised to me on his behalf which surprised me. I wasn't offended. Should I have been? I don't think so.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-12-02 08:32 pm (UTC)
I might have found his views wrong, repulsive or even dangerous but what is the point of being offended here exactly? What would it do (including to make things better)?
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-12-02 08:37 pm (UTC)
People are awfully nervous around these issues. As you know....
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-12-02 08:44 pm (UTC)
And I think we should stop being nervous about reality and think that we can just close our eyes and make it go away as it becomes more dangerous than those views themselves. We will have to do much more work to change it than just shush it.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-12-03 07:20 pm (UTC)
In a way the man in the Post Office is right. A lot of the people who run the BBC are atheists and gay. Where he's wrong is in supposing this a cause rather than a symptom of the secularisation of British society.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-12-03 07:40 pm (UTC)
But since this was the only reason he brought it up, it would not be wrong to say that he was wrong I think.
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-12-03 08:19 pm (UTC)
Agreed.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2017-12-02 01:34 pm (UTC)
Ah - and commercialism isn't driven by people which claim to be... Christians (for the US branch)?
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-12-02 04:49 pm (UTC)
I've never really understood why anyone would think that Christianity and capitalism went together.
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[User Picture]From: faunhaert
2017-12-02 05:39 pm (UTC)
here
its the churches that profit that push it

hobby lobby is one of them they actually send much of the profits to a chirch
after they skim a huge chunk of course.



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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-12-02 08:33 pm (UTC)
If that happens in Britain- and it probably does- it happens under the radar- because religious allegiance is uncool and not something to be advertised.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2017-12-02 07:31 pm (UTC)
A lot of American entrepreneurs, as the big drivers of the commercialism attitude, are Christians. At least they call themselves this way.
How one can morally make their philosophy of endless money-making, no matter the price in human lives, means and resources, fit together still with Christian morals as the Bible states them, that's also Greek to me.
But, well, propose that question to Puritanism. That's where this mindset originally comes from that sees no contradiction in that.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-12-02 08:40 pm (UTC)
While you are at it, here is another one: a lot of people who did evil things are actually people. So it is people who are responsible. All kinds. Atheist states were as bad as religious ones. Muslim injustice is as bad as Christian one. Atheist Soviet Union or North Korea where not better than the states where religion ruled. Etc, etc. Whatever we were, we were evil (as well as good). Singling out one thing that one doesn't like and appointing it the root of all evil is fine as long as one does not try to pass it off as a logical argument because it is not. There isn't such an external thing that can makes us only good or only bad and take away our capacity to do evil as part of our free choice. The world was shit before Puritanism or whatever else too.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2017-12-02 09:07 pm (UTC)
What I just tried so say was: When it is about "Christmas being not a Christian holiday anymore", then there is one topic to quickly come across that made that development as it is - and commecialism clearly wasn't invented exclusively by gays and atheists. The commerce that exists around Christmas was created by the economy, and that sector of the economy was partly never too shy to state themselvses that they are "Christians". Hell what, even Santa is a creation of Coca Cola about a hundred years ago...
So, the biggest source that turned the Christian focus away from that holiday - and it is no creation of said minority groups. It even came from Christians themselves, still gets carried on by people which don't openly say they're no Christians or don't believe in any God at all (these day's CEOs in global cooperations).
So, where's what "the" gays and "the" atheists should have done?

I know such nutjobs run around everywhere in the world, and these days it even becomes a fashion again, but still such nonsense tickles me to counter it with specific knowledge which one doesn't even need to be really educated for.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-12-02 09:13 pm (UTC)
Sorry, it doesn't make any sense to me unfortunately.
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[User Picture]From: howlin_wolf_66
2017-12-03 03:14 pm (UTC)
I'd venture to say that a world run by gay people and atheists might perhaps be a nicer place. :-)
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-12-03 07:11 pm (UTC)
A lot of the people who run the world are atheists already- including many who would like us to think otherwise. For instance I don't suppose either Trump or Putin believe in any power higher than themselves. I don't know how many are gay- but some of them must be...
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-12-03 07:43 pm (UTC)
I would agree with this. Soviet Union was and North Korea is run by atheists, hardly nice places. I think it is not about atheism or sexual orientation, it seem all of us can get shameless and nasty.
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