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Immigration Statistics [Aug. 25th, 2017|11:03 am]
Tony Grist
It seems the government has been counting foreign students in but not counting them out again- and immigration figures have been inflated as a result. They've been claiming that nearly 100,000 stay on illegally each year when the true figure is under 5,000.

And of course these false figures have been used to ramp up a xenophobic, brexity mindset.

One could put this down to incompetence or cynicism or a combination of both- but however you parse it, it ain't pretty. Kudos to those- in parliament and out- who have agitated to have the true figures acknowledged; no kudos at all to those- including Theresa May- who thought the false figures acceptable.
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[User Picture]From: pondhopper
2017-08-25 02:01 pm (UTC)

That does not surprise me at all. They do similar "calculations" in the US.

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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-08-25 02:13 pm (UTC)
How hard can it be to keep the books straight? And yet they expect us to trust them to run a country.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2017-08-25 02:06 pm (UTC)
Hm... Can be used into both directions.
First for the xenophobic fraction, but also for the fraction "oh, we need to create circumstances for all these poor foreigners, so they can stay here", which surely also will draw them as refugees or people of non-white descent, while they're actually rich foreignstudents (I need to call these rich which can afford to study in foreign countries).
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-08-25 02:19 pm (UTC)
Fair enough.

But if we're going to have a debate about immigration it would be nice if the statistics were trustworthy.
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[User Picture]From: matrixmann
2017-08-25 03:14 pm (UTC)
Yep, that would be so. (That's why I don't like forged statistics in general, 'cause, no matter what side does it towards its personal propaganda, I see both doesn't bring any gain, but brutal honesty does. It's about progressing and dealing with reality, not about who's got the best ideology - and in the end, all ideologies don't bake me a loaf of bread to eat. Ideas alone are castles in the sky.)
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-08-25 03:48 pm (UTC)
Don't impose your own 'truth" on everyone. If 5,000 feels like 100,000 to them, then 100,000 it is. You can identify your 100,000 as you like but if their 100,000 is 5,000 to them, then that's it.

We also remember how "all of Romania and Bulgaria moved here" after they joined the EU (except it never happened).
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-08-25 04:47 pm (UTC)
But we're not talking about feelings, we're talking about figures. Feelings are tricky, ambiguous things but figures can be plainly right or plainly wrong

Clearly, if people feel there are too many immigrants on their street and this impacts aversely on their own quality of life this needs to be acknowledged and addressed at the level of feeling.
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[User Picture]From: topum
2017-08-25 04:55 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I was sarcastic of course.

But we do see that things that not long ago could only be plainly right or plainly wrong and obvious, unambiguous and black and white for all, are not anymore nowadays. Figures are not sacred too I guess. They are probably the weapons of patriarchy anyway.

Edited at 2017-08-25 04:57 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: poliphilo
2017-08-25 06:39 pm (UTC)
Ha, you had me there!

Figures the weapons of patriarchy? I wouldn't quarrel with that.
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